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, nancy. >> congratulations. you talked a little bit about corps dell hall and the extraordinary situation with hopkins kind of being the, i guess, in a unique position in foreign policy, national security apparatus. but that must have been, i mean, today that would be very controversial. >> right. >> was it controversial? >> well, hopkins was, hopkins himself was a lightning rod for criticism, and he was concerned to be a rahs putin, you know? -- pass tiewnt, you know? he was putting evil thoughts into roosevelt's head. so was it controversial that he would have all those positions? yeah. he had too much power. he was the only civilian other than -- well, roosevelt wasn't a civilian, i guess. he was the only civilian admitted into the map room. they set up a map room in the white house where all the cables came in from all over the world on the national security issues. he was the only guy admitted into go in there anytime he wanted to. so he was, you know, he was hated by the conservatives of the country at the time. there were, you know, the chicago -- the newspapers, the chicago trib a
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